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Jon P
Bronze Member
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 Posted - 03/25/2006 : 02:36:26
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i was just trying to get as many opinions as possible .. is it so wrong for someone to seek a lot of help in choosing a bird??? is that so bad??? do you want me to just go out and buy a bird at random?? i like to hear from everyone yeah a lot of people responded but most where all positive about the bird they owned no one really told me anything negative about each of them;...i don't understand why someone asking a question is gettin them in trouble... maybe you want all people not to understand things about the birds that real owners know and is so wrong to post that question on another board??? different people read different boards?? maybe i'll be like all the other people and buy a bird on impulse.and then want to give it away in a year.... sorry if i like to do research geeze... sorry if a concerned person wanting to know as much as possible about a bird is a waste of your time....
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 03:12:09
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| more entertainment the education??? if that was the point i would've just went out and purchased any bird i wanted that i thought was beautiful but know i read for 6 months everything i could about birds from big to small i wanted to know everything about every bird that interested me... so i am here for education or else i wouldn't ask questions...idk about where u come from but you ask questions when you don't know or understand something right??? or do u ask questions you know the answers to?? obviously i want to know as much as possible about the bird before i buy or else i wouldn't be on these chat forums now would i?? maybe you should think before you criticize someone..... just the one person who was trying to help sorry i forgot your name... i haven't owned birds before a meyers and a cockatiel and wanted to move up to something bigger.. and just felt the need to ask a lot of questions...geeze sorry if people can't handle someone asking questions... |
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macawdreams
Forum Admin
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 03:29:27
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Jon, this is exactly what I mean. You are not bothering to read their replies! These people ARE telling you the negative. One woman wrote a long reply stating, "...for several months--screaming, attacking me. Now he is Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde."
If you REALLY wanted detailed information it seems to me that you would first READ every one of the replies and then ask specific questions from all of these bird owners. Instead, you're just jumping from board to board, starting all over again with the same generic (copy/pasted) question.
So, here you go:
#1 Go back and read the 51 responses you have already gotten
#2 Purchase and subscribe to every parrot magazine you can (both in stores and on line)
#3 Read all of the avian websites/articles people have already given to you (there are many)
#5 Purchase and READ any and all parrot books you can get your hands on
#6 Narrow down your choice of species of bird.
#7 EDUCATE yourself about housing, care, costs, diet, vet care and bills.
#8 Speak to family members about THEIR opinions
*9 Look at YOUR own lifestyle, job and home and decide what you have to OFFER a bird
and finally...
#10. Go back to those dozens of bird owners who tried to help you and ask them specific questions regarding specific and pertinent concerns that your research has uncovered.
The best of luck to you.
Angie R.
Macaw Dreams Site Owner
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 03:56:11
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| not reading posts??? wow one lady had a bad experience that must mean the 343043 other U2 and B&G owners have perfect dolls i have read a lot a REAL LOT and there is certain things that books and the internet can't tell you certain things you have to experience thats why i ask people..and if you read my posts you would know i've narrowed it down to the B&G and the U2 and my life style could be great for both birds...but i only want ONE. and i know about the costs and everything that money is not an issue at all i have the money to buy 5098 birds if i wanted but i don't want to i want ONE that i could love and cherish for its life and mine...i READ every post to all of my questions and so what if i want more answers... no one said i want YOU to answer my questions i want others.. people that are nice...like the woman who answered my other post on this website i never heard from her and bet she could help me a lot...family members me and wife and we came down to the B&G and the U2 and can't make a final decision is that so bad?? whats wrong with questions?? who cares if i go to 320 different boards and ask the same thing different people go to different boards... |
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 03:58:00
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| P.S. i didn't know you where the master of all boards and read what i post on ever board... like i stated earlier different people read different boards and different people mean different experiences... |
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Toy
Top Gold Member
USA
390 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 07:12:16
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Jon:
MT is on the verge of banning you for the same thing you are doing here. You changed your name there so you could post again & again. You copied & pasted the same post on several boards. In fact this post is pasted on MT.
What you are really wanting is someone to come right out & say what species of bird would be like a dog.....won't bite, can be petted at any time, can be cuddle at your will, etc. NO parrot is like that period. They all bite at some time. They all scream at some time. They all destroy things. They make a big mess. At any give time they can destroy your home in a matter of minutes. Species does matter. Gee do you want us to also pick out your next car & name your kids too? If you can't decide for yourself which species of bird you want then don't get one. They are a life time commitment. Not just a whim purchase.
You wanna hear negative ok you got it:
Our CAG (African Grey) is a biter & a feather mutilator. She chewed the kitchen floor under the cupboards. She will attack our other 2 birds, even tho they are bigger than her.
My U2 went phobic at age 4, when her hormones kicked in. She is now 7 & still phobic. Can't get near her, she freaks. She has chewed holes in my sofa & destroyed the wood trim on it. She chewed the TV cable & several other electic cords. My drapes & curtains have holes chewed in them as well. Oh almost forgot the tiffany like lamp she got to & chewed the beads off of. She is also a major feather mutilator.
My B&G has taken chunks out of my dinning room cupboards. They're Georgia Redheart Pine circa 1940's. Not replacable or fixable. She also chewed her leg. Just search thru the posts on JaJaBinks (leg injury) & you'll see the downside to owning parrots. This leg injury has cost us a small fortune in vet bills, not to mention the anxiety & stress we endured.
There are those out there who have had to get stitches from parrot bites, or have had broken fingers & wrists from a parrot bite. When their hormones kick in nature leads them, not you or anyone else. You make the wrong move at the wrong time & you can get bit.
It doesn't matter what species you get, how you raise or house them, etc. They do what they do...be parrots. They are controlled by their very strong wild genes. It takes allot of learning, on your part, to learn how not to get bit & even then at some point you will. Parrots can't be controlled like a dog can. They can however be taught boundaries, but NO to a parrot means try again later.
Now you have the skinny on owning parrots. YOU have to choose if you want a parrot & what species. No one can do that for you. Many have answered your questions, so it's time to stop repeating them over & over.
I want you to appoligize to Angie for being rude on HER board. If not then I will request you be banned. Do NOT push the issue any further. If you are nice then we will help you once you get a parrot. Rudeness here won't be tolerated.
Toy
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MMOXIEE@aol.com
Top Gold Member
81 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 11:34:57
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Jon,
It's quite clear from your posts and your questions that you haven't done the proper research. Have you even bothered to read our website? And by your reaction to all the responses you've gotten it's also clear your just wanting someone to tell you what you want to hear. That's not going to happen here. My advice, go to your local parrot rescue and spend some time learning and interacting w/ some of the hundreds of birds who lost their homes, because their owners didn't know what they were getting into.
And if you can't respond to posts with maturity, proper courtesy and etiquette, don't respond at all and stop wasting our time.
Lindsey
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macawdreams
Forum Admin
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 11:43:04
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Thank you so much Toy and Lindsey.
Jon? quote:
"not reading posts??? wow one lady had a bad experience"
Jon, once again, that proves you didn't bother reading those 51 posts. That was an example of ONE of the many posts that offered you detailed "negative" information as you referred to it. I guess you didn't find anything "negative" about the other woman who posted about her problems with her Cockatoo which lead to her getting rid of the bird. Give me a break.
Jon, you got banned from a Cockatoo board this morning and you are causing chaos on another Macaw board. It will NOT happen here.
You claim to be a recently married college graduate yet you sure don't sound like one.
You BET I read the other boards and since I own this one, it's my responsibility to keep the trouble makers away from our dedicated owners who don't deserve to have their time wasted. The only reason anyone is extending you a hand is because they care so much about the future of birds.
But let me make this perfectly clear. You are NOT pulling the wool over any of our eyes. We have been around the block a long time and we know the difference between people who are trouble makers and those who are sincere about learning and purchasing birds. It's all in the posts and the questions.  We can always tell.
So, stop this crying about how you're just an innocent person trying to get opinions and are being punished for asking questions. It will not work here so stop wasting your time. We aren't buying it. If you continue on this path you WILL be banned.
Angie R.
Macaw Dreams Site Owner
"The future of Macaws starts here" |
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 12:46:07
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| macawdreams im honestly not trying to be a trouble maker...i came here and posted the same thing because i figured different people read different boards thats it and then u attacked me... If i was wrong for posting it here..SORRY...Toy thank you for that post about the stuff that happened to your birds..i wanted to know the worst to expect.. i didn't wanna know yeah my birds is awesome she rocks woooo stuff.. i wanted the truth .. thanks once again toy |
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 13:03:13
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| Toy I don't even know who angie is or what i did to her that was rude honestly... |
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macawdreams
Forum Admin
610 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 13:35:45
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Well, let me explain it to you. READ under my signature.
Angie R.
Macaw Dreams Site Owner
"The future of Macaws starts here" |
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 15:21:34
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| Well Angie I'm SORRY i read toys post wrong i thought he said angie on a sister board...so thats my mistake and im sorry....if i was rude i apologize...didn't mean too i just felt attacked.. but anyway thats over with and im sorry... now for a question... I know they say the larger the better but what is the smallest sized cage you can get for a U2 or a B&G? and what is the best type because i read that both of thoes guys are very efficient in taking things apart.. |
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Toy
Top Gold Member
USA
390 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 20:01:19
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CAG wise you buy the biggest you can afford. Many of us have given up furniture for bird cage space. I house 2 in my Dining room & one in my living room. Brandwise varys greatly. I have the "true" California cages for 2 of my parrots & wouldn't have anything but. However many like Kings cages or other brands.
Even tho you buy a top of the line cage remember that a U2 or a macaw can still break the bars if they want to. They have major strength in their beaks/jaws. The best thing to do is buy a good quality cage & pray it holds up. I prefer the CA cages as the only part you put together is the top. The rest is all welded. They can't un-assemble it. Expect to pay upwards of $500-$1000 for a good quality cage.
Also make sure you measure your door ways before ordering/buying a cage. It has to be able to be rolled thru a doorway or you won't be able to move it if needed.
Toy (PS: I'm female)
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Jon P
Bronze Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 20:36:32
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| if i have the spare room better to build a bird room or keep it in a cage in the family room? |
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macawdreams
Forum Admin
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Posted - 03/25/2006 : 20:42:00
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Jon, both would be ideal so that you could move the bird around during the day. Since birds will need to come out of their room for "family" time owners need to either have a gym, tree or a cage for the bird to play while not in his room.
Jon, do you live in an apartment or a single home? I read that you're married but how about any kids?
If you have kids a cage, is always a plus!
Angie R.
Macaw Dreams Site Owner
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pbyeerts
Top Gold Member
USA
125 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2006 : 22:57:14
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Hi Jon,
There are distinct differences between macaws and cockatoos that I encourage you to investigate. If you have never owned a large parrot, I would point you towards a macaw. They have a more even temperment and do not have the extremely complex emotional needs of the 'toos.
Macaws need a large day cage in a family area that is at least 6 feet high and 4 feet wide, and a sleeping cage for night time in a separate and quiet area of the house that can be a little smaller. My blue and gold has his day cage in our dining/living room and his sleeping cage is in the laundry room. Macaws require 10-12 hours of uninterrputed sleep per night, so a spare bedroom would be perfect.
I assume you've done your reading on handling and diet. Your macaw will require at least 3 hours out of his cage every day for playtime and attention from you. We typically play with Nimo for an hour: sing to him, play catch, wrestle, and otherwise give him our undivided attention. Then he comes in and watches me cook or else sits on my husband and watches TV. We all eat dinner together and then watch TV and relax before Nimo goes to bed. The point is your macaw will want to be with you and cannot be left alone in a cage all day and night. You must have 3 hours, AT LEAST to give this bird, or else do not bother.
I hope this helps, Pamela
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